1 00:00:08,570 --> 00:00:17,170 [Music] 2 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:20,660 welcome to shattered reality with their 3 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:25,500 hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to 4 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:28,530 have your paradigm shifted into truth 5 00:00:38,569 --> 00:00:36,210 questions and now shattered reality well 6 00:00:40,250 --> 00:00:38,579 here we are again hey Kate hi how are 7 00:00:42,770 --> 00:00:40,260 you oh I'm doing just fine 8 00:00:48,889 --> 00:00:42,780 and today yeah we got a slate it right 9 00:00:51,410 --> 00:00:48,899 that's right okay is a 20-17 who would 10 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:51,420 have thought yeah well we're we're glad 11 00:00:55,849 --> 00:00:52,710 to still be here 12 00:01:00,559 --> 00:00:55,859 mm-hmm on shouted reality podcast and 13 00:01:04,460 --> 00:01:00,569 today I'm really excited to welcome to 14 00:01:08,030 --> 00:01:04,470 our show one of our listeners yeah which 15 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:08,040 is very and she is an amazing woman 16 00:01:17,870 --> 00:01:13,530 mm-hmm she is an author from Morris 17 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:17,880 County she is a Latina young adult book 18 00:01:26,590 --> 00:01:22,890 author and she was the 2016 winner of 19 00:01:30,349 --> 00:01:26,600 two awards of the prestigious 20 00:01:33,819 --> 00:01:30,359 international Latino Book Awards for 21 00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:33,829 Best sci-fi novel and best new author 22 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:36,990 her book Santa Muerte 23 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:42,780 the Daniella's story is a 200 2016 24 00:01:48,709 --> 00:01:45,990 release from story merchants books press 25 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:48,719 she tackles diversity and science 26 00:01:55,969 --> 00:01:51,960 fiction and fantasy by using folklore in 27 00:01:59,630 --> 00:01:55,979 culture and culture she holds an MA in 28 00:02:02,349 --> 00:01:59,640 clinical counseling and is a licensed 29 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:02,359 professional counselor in Morris County 30 00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:07,049 so let's welcome oh you seen a stone 31 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:09,360 well thank you for being with us Lucy 32 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:14,810 that's a very impressive hi and this is 33 00:02:20,870 --> 00:02:19,250 Kate Valentine I was seeing how are you 34 00:02:25,340 --> 00:02:20,880 wonderful 35 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:25,350 so thank you so much I want to preface 36 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:28,910 this show a little bit by talking about 37 00:02:37,820 --> 00:02:33,030 some things that go on in the UFO area 38 00:02:42,110 --> 00:02:37,830 as concerned concerned Latino folks such 39 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:42,120 as yourself and I'm not going to use the 40 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:44,330 term Anglo folks because I hate that 41 00:02:51,890 --> 00:02:48,330 description I'm going to say the first 42 00:02:56,090 --> 00:02:51,900 language first language English speakers 43 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:56,100 and this is more true of the men in the 44 00:03:03,170 --> 00:02:59,040 first language English speaker community 45 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:03,180 who are interested in UFOs what I have 46 00:03:11,060 --> 00:03:06,260 found is that a lot of these men are 47 00:03:13,670 --> 00:03:11,070 moderately - very intelligent they write 48 00:03:15,380 --> 00:03:13,680 books they talk about UFOs and I'm not 49 00:03:17,510 --> 00:03:15,390 gonna mention anybody's name here 50 00:03:20,180 --> 00:03:17,520 because I don't want to make any 51 00:03:22,460 --> 00:03:20,190 terrible enemies in the UFO field 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:22,470 because we deal a lot in the UFO field 53 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:26,210 right Kate right but they seem to 54 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:32,540 dismiss the Latino experiences with UFOs 55 00:03:40,540 --> 00:03:36,690 because the Latino experiences whether 56 00:03:44,510 --> 00:03:40,550 they be from Brazil or Argentina or 57 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:44,520 Mexico or Cuba or any of the places 58 00:03:51,110 --> 00:03:48,030 south of our border the descriptions 59 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:51,120 tend to be a little bit more emotional a 60 00:04:01,580 --> 00:03:54,770 little bit more colorful than the 61 00:04:06,380 --> 00:04:01,590 English speaking male in America and we 62 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:06,390 have had on a couple of people who comes 63 00:04:14,090 --> 00:04:08,850 to mind - first is the gentleman from 64 00:04:15,740 --> 00:04:14,100 Florida who is with the we had him on oh 65 00:04:18,710 --> 00:04:15,750 boy now I can't remember his name isn't 66 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:18,720 it beautiful but he was on our show and 67 00:04:29,210 --> 00:04:24,750 he was ray Hernandez that's right and he 68 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:29,220 was a wonderful a wonderful professional 69 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:33,210 individual well-respected lawyer several 70 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:34,289 degrees 71 00:04:40,609 --> 00:04:37,830 PhD and his experiences were just a 72 00:04:43,189 --> 00:04:40,619 little more extreme than some of these 73 00:04:48,309 --> 00:04:43,199 guys and boy they can't give that guy 74 00:04:53,149 --> 00:04:48,319 and even break sometimes so I am here to 75 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:53,159 talk with you about Santa Muerte first 76 00:05:01,549 --> 00:04:57,089 of all yeah and how you got drawn into 77 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:01,559 writing this book can you help us well 78 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:03,360 it's kind of on what you're saying is 79 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:05,360 the cultural oppression that happens 80 00:05:12,739 --> 00:05:10,529 with Latinos in many areas is what 81 00:05:14,329 --> 00:05:12,749 attracted me to writing the book you 82 00:05:16,670 --> 00:05:14,339 know I wanted to write a story that my 83 00:05:19,339 --> 00:05:16,680 daughters could relate to culturally in 84 00:05:21,829 --> 00:05:19,349 the future and I wanted and I didn't see 85 00:05:25,719 --> 00:05:21,839 anything like that I had written out 86 00:05:30,019 --> 00:05:25,729 there so you know again a lot of sci-fi 87 00:05:32,809 --> 00:05:30,029 writers are men and so being able to 88 00:05:33,859 --> 00:05:32,819 write it was definitely something you 89 00:05:36,260 --> 00:05:33,869 know that I wanted to do for my 90 00:05:39,829 --> 00:05:36,270 daughters and for other people who come 91 00:05:42,759 --> 00:05:39,839 from you know parents presenting 92 00:05:46,579 --> 00:05:42,769 same-sex parents in a positive way and 93 00:05:48,619 --> 00:05:46,589 you know just definitely talking about 94 00:05:51,589 --> 00:05:48,629 the spirituality that's so culturally 95 00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:51,599 ingrained in the mix in the folklore and 96 00:05:57,230 --> 00:05:54,870 just introducing that and it's in a new 97 00:06:00,649 --> 00:05:57,240 way in a different way was what I was 98 00:06:03,469 --> 00:06:00,659 really challenged with and I find you 99 00:06:06,649 --> 00:06:03,479 know usually again a lot of stories 100 00:06:10,999 --> 00:06:06,659 about you know folklore or sci-fi 101 00:06:15,109 --> 00:06:11,009 fantasy are easily dismissed you know 102 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:15,119 for Latinos so I really wanted to get it 103 00:06:20,929 --> 00:06:18,240 out there and but you have chosen to 104 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:20,939 written this to write this book in 105 00:06:28,699 --> 00:06:25,800 English do you have any plans on writing 106 00:06:32,230 --> 00:06:28,709 a companion book or a trans making a 107 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:32,240 translation into Spanish or Portuguese 108 00:06:36,769 --> 00:06:34,680 well I would love to have it translated 109 00:06:39,469 --> 00:06:36,779 I speak Spanish but I don't write in 110 00:06:43,129 --> 00:06:39,479 Spanish I so that's something that yeah 111 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:43,139 as a first-generation you know that's 112 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:44,930 something that always happens a lot 113 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:46,889 culturally is that you know they you 114 00:06:50,180 --> 00:06:48,000 maintain the language but 115 00:06:52,580 --> 00:06:50,190 sometimes without further training or 116 00:06:54,980 --> 00:06:52,590 understanding it's it's it's hard and 117 00:06:57,710 --> 00:06:54,990 Spanish is a hard language to write in 118 00:06:59,600 --> 00:06:57,720 for me so I would definitely need some 119 00:07:01,190 --> 00:06:59,610 house to get it transferred on it's 120 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:01,200 something that I'm continuing to write a 121 00:07:06,770 --> 00:07:04,710 book to and a book three on and you know 122 00:07:09,890 --> 00:07:06,780 you had some other guests who see Mao 123 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:09,900 and dr. chestnut who talked about some 124 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:12,750 some West and that was definitely for me 125 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:15,210 a great inspiration 126 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:17,430 don't worry write the book great great 127 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:20,910 we're glad we were absolutely yeah 128 00:07:27,740 --> 00:07:23,790 definitely and certainly it's a concept 129 00:07:30,620 --> 00:07:27,750 that is very foreign to our culture 130 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:30,630 really to the north of me North American 131 00:07:34,790 --> 00:07:32,850 well it isn't it isn't I mean it's such 132 00:07:38,450 --> 00:07:34,800 a mishmash of cultures here in the New 133 00:07:41,030 --> 00:07:38,460 York area that you'd have to call it a 134 00:07:44,090 --> 00:07:41,040 mishmash rather than a culture oh yes 135 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:44,100 it's really it depends where you're 136 00:07:50,030 --> 00:07:47,430 living as well we are all familiar who 137 00:07:53,810 --> 00:07:50,040 live in the urban New York area with 138 00:07:56,659 --> 00:07:53,820 both Anika's with a lot of magic 139 00:08:01,580 --> 00:07:56,669 supplies to cast spells and so forth and 140 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:01,590 figurines of people like dr. fritz who 141 00:08:09,590 --> 00:08:05,550 was a doctor fritz yeah dr. fritz he was 142 00:08:12,140 --> 00:08:09,600 the guy who the the fellow in Brazil I 143 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:12,150 guess was Brazil or Venezuela re re go 144 00:08:18,380 --> 00:08:15,900 this is this fellow our ego he channeled 145 00:08:21,950 --> 00:08:18,390 dr. fritz who was purportedly 146 00:08:25,340 --> 00:08:21,960 a German physician and he performed all 147 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:25,350 kinds of operations with justo like 148 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:28,410 basically a kitchen knife on people and 149 00:08:37,940 --> 00:08:30,690 they they all did well with it though 150 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:37,950 the kind of like a maybe like Oh Juan de 151 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:42,210 Dios is today son of God and so yeah 152 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:44,610 it's very very interesting and one of 153 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:48,360 our other guests I believe currently dr. 154 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:52,110 John B Alexander he is writing a book 155 00:08:57,770 --> 00:08:55,110 now about his experiences with shamanism 156 00:08:59,930 --> 00:08:57,780 in South America so we're hoping to have 157 00:09:02,300 --> 00:08:59,940 him back on at some point but let's get 158 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:02,310 back to you Lucina 159 00:09:07,010 --> 00:09:05,370 foreign folks yes what I love so much 160 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:07,020 about something left is that she's the 161 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:10,170 sole female scene of death and in 162 00:09:14,060 --> 00:09:12,690 writing my story I thought about how how 163 00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:14,070 interesting it would be to have such a 164 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:18,480 powerful lady you know not be known to 165 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:20,820 her own children so she has a daughter 166 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:22,890 who emigrated from the United States and 167 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:23,850 has her own daughter 168 00:09:28,340 --> 00:09:26,130 and then when they run into trouble you 169 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:28,350 know they come back home and this is 170 00:09:33,079 --> 00:09:30,210 where they learn about their background 171 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:33,089 and who she really is and you know which 172 00:09:36,890 --> 00:09:35,250 often happens you know I also really 173 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:36,900 like stories about immigration and 174 00:09:43,970 --> 00:09:41,130 sometimes what's lost culturally between 175 00:09:46,850 --> 00:09:43,980 the generations so and which is why I 176 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:46,860 also wanted to write about this book 177 00:09:52,940 --> 00:09:50,130 about the intergenerational attachments 178 00:09:57,980 --> 00:09:52,950 and and the importance of it to maintain 179 00:10:02,470 --> 00:09:57,990 it yeah a lot of times people lose track 180 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:02,480 of their families when the people 181 00:10:07,370 --> 00:10:05,850 immigrate into our country or emigrate 182 00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:07,380 from their country I always get those 183 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:10,320 two words a little bit confused but I 184 00:10:14,390 --> 00:10:12,240 think it might be a little easier to 185 00:10:16,390 --> 00:10:14,400 keep in touch with people in Mexico than 186 00:10:19,250 --> 00:10:16,400 it is to keep in touch with somebody 187 00:10:21,380 --> 00:10:19,260 like say from a hundred years ago that 188 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:21,390 left Turkey for instance and came here 189 00:10:25,460 --> 00:10:24,210 right right right 190 00:10:27,650 --> 00:10:25,470 um that you always leave a little 191 00:10:29,270 --> 00:10:27,660 something you know and and and living in 192 00:10:31,850 --> 00:10:29,280 the American culture is very different 193 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:31,860 from the Mexican culture and even if you 194 00:10:35,390 --> 00:10:33,360 go back you know you're always kind of 195 00:10:38,329 --> 00:10:35,400 missing a little piece of it and so I 196 00:10:42,290 --> 00:10:38,339 really liked that aspect of the story as 197 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:42,300 well can you to highlight that can you 198 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:46,970 tell us if you have had any personal 199 00:10:55,010 --> 00:10:49,890 experience with the cult of Santa Muerte 200 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:55,020 I have not personally you know I came to 201 00:11:00,800 --> 00:10:56,900 learn about Santa Muerte 202 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:00,810 through the podcast and through dr. 203 00:11:08,180 --> 00:11:02,720 Andrew chestnut and through researching 204 00:11:10,010 --> 00:11:08,190 you know pagan saints and you know when 205 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:10,020 I learned about her and all that she 206 00:11:15,199 --> 00:11:12,750 represents for people who feel like they 207 00:11:16,010 --> 00:11:15,209 don't have another that they can't pray 208 00:11:18,010 --> 00:11:16,020 at the Catholic Church 209 00:11:20,449 --> 00:11:18,020 so this is their only way to receive 210 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:20,459 some kind of connection to their 211 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:22,500 spirituality I really thought it was 212 00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:24,660 fascinating and that really inspired me 213 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:28,260 it is the last refuge of the very poor 214 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:32,490 individuals or even drug runners and so 215 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:36,330 forth in in Mexico I understand it so 216 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:38,910 and it started mostly within the LGBTQ 217 00:11:42,710 --> 00:11:41,070 community you know feeling outcast by 218 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:42,720 the Catholic Church and feeling like 219 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:45,120 they didn't have a place so this is a 220 00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:48,630 very recent book for you then yes yeah 221 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:51,120 Wow yeah that's very impressive 222 00:11:55,610 --> 00:11:53,610 yeah cuz that's not exactly so how long 223 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:55,620 did it take you who's this one of those 224 00:12:01,790 --> 00:11:57,690 books that you started and then it just 225 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:01,800 kept flowing yes yes it's something that 226 00:12:06,199 --> 00:12:03,810 that I started that was wake me up at 227 00:12:09,410 --> 00:12:06,209 night I might see scenes of in my mind 228 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:09,420 and it just kind of flowed so I got it 229 00:12:14,060 --> 00:12:11,730 up there and you know the main 230 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:14,070 complaints of the people who've read the 231 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:16,290 book is that it's too short so you know 232 00:12:22,670 --> 00:12:20,010 working on it to clarify because it's a 233 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:22,680 big world and it's a big it's a lot to 234 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:25,380 kind of put together and it's fast paced 235 00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:27,839 so the readers you know in this genre 236 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:31,140 are very very smart so it's to kind of 237 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:34,410 keep keep up with them as well well it's 238 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:36,930 great that you have a fan base there and 239 00:12:45,949 --> 00:12:41,010 that you're planning on books 2 & 3 will 240 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:45,959 they also be concerned with the the 241 00:12:54,829 --> 00:12:50,760 patron saint of death and the bride girl 242 00:12:58,180 --> 00:12:54,839 the bony bride girl there yes yes well 243 00:13:02,090 --> 00:12:58,190 one of the main characters Anaya she is 244 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:02,100 you know her she's known in her day town 245 00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:05,040 and where she lives ass on domestic so 246 00:13:10,970 --> 00:13:08,160 she represents Santa Muerte know again 247 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:10,980 she has a lot of people that are devoted 248 00:13:15,170 --> 00:13:13,290 to her but you know she's underground 249 00:13:18,260 --> 00:13:15,180 and she's kind of somebody who isn't out 250 00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:18,270 there you know publicizing her abilities 251 00:13:23,660 --> 00:13:22,230 and that she is a witch so that is going 252 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:23,670 to continue there will be more witches 253 00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:26,250 grave robbing and women in charge and 254 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:28,230 folklore and you know exploring with 255 00:13:32,150 --> 00:13:29,730 race and gender 256 00:13:34,970 --> 00:13:32,160 in books two and three so you've 257 00:13:35,989 --> 00:13:34,980 developed your own little world that you 258 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:35,999 seem to stoned 259 00:13:41,359 --> 00:13:39,689 it's excellent thank you thank you yes 260 00:13:44,929 --> 00:13:41,369 it's a fun world it's a complex world 261 00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:44,939 it's a fast-paced world and it for ders 262 00:13:50,299 --> 00:13:47,040 between you know young adult books and 263 00:13:54,379 --> 00:13:50,309 also like new adults so it's a little 264 00:13:56,299 --> 00:13:54,389 bit for for a wide-ranging well that's 265 00:13:57,739 --> 00:13:56,309 really good because when you know when 266 00:13:59,239 --> 00:13:57,749 you speak about the english-speaking 267 00:14:01,789 --> 00:13:59,249 culture and so on that's sort of almost 268 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:01,799 passe at this point and I would say it's 269 00:14:06,169 --> 00:14:04,769 starting to die out and pass on and so I 270 00:14:09,919 --> 00:14:06,179 think your books would be a lot more 271 00:14:14,479 --> 00:14:09,929 relevant to people of I don't know how 272 00:14:16,249 --> 00:14:14,489 old you are but of a younger age yeah I 273 00:14:20,389 --> 00:14:16,259 hope that the younger audiences can 274 00:14:22,819 --> 00:14:20,399 definitely relate to it um more and also 275 00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:22,829 learn you know a lot about you know the 276 00:14:28,189 --> 00:14:25,470 1920s through the 1950s where you know 277 00:14:31,669 --> 00:14:28,199 it wasn't such a those are bleak times 278 00:14:34,789 --> 00:14:31,679 for people no rules weren't learn more 279 00:14:38,599 --> 00:14:34,799 about that yeah and to learn more about 280 00:14:40,609 --> 00:14:38,609 spiritualism and folklore and one of my 281 00:14:44,239 --> 00:14:40,619 characters is actually named Sabine 282 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:44,249 named after Maria sabina who was a you 283 00:14:52,809 --> 00:14:50,220 know back in the 60s 70s was I guess 284 00:14:55,789 --> 00:14:52,819 considered a curandera um using 285 00:14:58,009 --> 00:14:55,799 mushrooms yeah so definitely trying to 286 00:15:00,590 --> 00:14:58,019 interweave a lot of that into the story 287 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:00,600 as well have you read much of Carlos 288 00:15:09,529 --> 00:15:06,749 Castaneda or any of his acolytes and 289 00:15:12,829 --> 00:15:09,539 sorry you broke up with that I said have 290 00:15:13,909 --> 00:15:12,839 you read much of the author Carlos 291 00:15:18,590 --> 00:15:13,919 Castaneda 292 00:15:22,429 --> 00:15:18,600 or any of his acolytes no I have not 293 00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:22,439 that on my Goodreads the read book well 294 00:15:28,819 --> 00:15:25,199 those I think his books and the books of 295 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:28,829 the women who followed him would be of 296 00:15:36,169 --> 00:15:34,769 extreme interest to you he was a man 297 00:15:39,979 --> 00:15:36,179 from Mexico 298 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:39,989 spent a lot of time in the US but he 299 00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:42,730 visited with a 300 00:15:51,090 --> 00:15:46,870 of the Yaqui culture Yaqui Indian shaman 301 00:15:53,970 --> 00:15:51,100 called Don Juan and it's unknown to 302 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:53,980 people they argue about it to this day 303 00:16:02,570 --> 00:15:57,250 whether Don Juan was a real person or 304 00:16:06,630 --> 00:16:02,580 not I tend to believe he was but he had 305 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:06,640 gathered around himself a sort of a 306 00:16:15,570 --> 00:16:12,690 group of women who also wrote books and 307 00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:15,580 actually I liked one of the women's 308 00:16:24,060 --> 00:16:18,880 books better than his and this woman was 309 00:16:27,690 --> 00:16:24,070 like Linda Ronstadt well she was as she 310 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:27,700 was half German and half American Linda 311 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:29,620 Ronstadt of course is half German and 312 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:33,010 half Mexican but like like Linda 313 00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:35,380 Ronstadt she wrote from that point of 314 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:38,560 view that was both North American and 315 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:40,240 South America and I'm just using those 316 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:43,480 those words as your hand here I think 317 00:16:47,450 --> 00:16:45,190 that you would find that absolutely 318 00:16:55,290 --> 00:16:47,460 fascinating 319 00:16:58,730 --> 00:16:55,300 Lucina yeah so coming up here in terms 320 00:17:01,560 --> 00:16:58,740 of Santa Muerte have you received any 321 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:01,570 messages from people who have written 322 00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:05,110 the book who might be adherence to the 323 00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:09,190 cult of Santa Muerte I have not I have 324 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:13,120 not connected with anyone that way no 325 00:17:17,819 --> 00:17:16,000 you know again it's an indie published 326 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:17,829 book so it I think it's gonna take time 327 00:17:22,290 --> 00:17:19,690 to continue to grow an audience and 328 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:22,300 hopefully through this podcast and 329 00:17:27,150 --> 00:17:24,310 through different venues I can you know 330 00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:27,160 start to connect more well I certainly 331 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:30,190 hope that you do but I do also hope that 332 00:17:37,140 --> 00:17:33,630 you don't run afoul of any of those 333 00:17:39,570 --> 00:17:37,150 adherence to the cult so what do you 334 00:17:42,060 --> 00:17:39,580 have to say about that well no I think 335 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,070 she'll do just fine she's she's got 336 00:17:48,180 --> 00:17:44,320 truths on her side that's right that's 337 00:17:50,790 --> 00:17:48,190 right so what do we what do we have to 338 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:50,800 look forward to in a book to have you 339 00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:55,810 given it a name I haven't given it a 340 00:17:59,060 --> 00:17:56,320 name yet 341 00:18:02,330 --> 00:17:59,070 but it is still a time travel story and 342 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:02,340 it is still about the intergenerational 343 00:18:09,899 --> 00:18:06,070 connections and generational conflicts 344 00:18:12,930 --> 00:18:09,909 those will continue which is magic will 345 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:12,940 continue you know the back and forth 346 00:18:18,749 --> 00:18:15,850 between race gender sci-fi all of that 347 00:18:21,629 --> 00:18:18,759 fun stuff that you know people who read 348 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:21,639 in this genre I really do enjoy and I'm 349 00:18:27,779 --> 00:18:25,570 just taking more time to just build the 350 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:27,789 world a little bit clearly continue to 351 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:30,610 make it more clear for the reader so 352 00:18:34,350 --> 00:18:32,110 that they can immerse themselves even 353 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:34,360 further and I'm have some fun have some 354 00:18:39,869 --> 00:18:37,570 fun with more diverse characters and you 355 00:18:42,869 --> 00:18:39,879 know just how fun it is to use diverse 356 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:42,879 characters yeah in time-traveled it 357 00:18:48,570 --> 00:18:45,190 fundamentally changes the trajectory of 358 00:18:51,539 --> 00:18:48,580 a story and that is tremendously 359 00:18:55,409 --> 00:18:51,549 rewarding all I've imagined so and you 360 00:18:59,700 --> 00:18:55,419 also bring in a number of LGBTQ 361 00:19:04,110 --> 00:18:59,710 characters and yeah and I like the way 362 00:19:07,129 --> 00:19:04,120 you bring it into a future time which is 363 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:07,139 not too far ahead of us in Santa Muerte 364 00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:11,289 where these characters are very well 365 00:19:19,409 --> 00:19:16,840 revered they're very well revered people 366 00:19:24,539 --> 00:19:19,419 in the community as opposed to in the 367 00:19:28,169 --> 00:19:24,549 past when they was stigmatized mm-hmm so 368 00:19:30,810 --> 00:19:28,179 that's wonderful yeah yeah it's a lot of 369 00:19:35,269 --> 00:19:30,820 fun it's it's so much fun to write and 370 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:35,279 to be able to put you know challenge 371 00:19:40,499 --> 00:19:37,870 again cultural oppression that occurs 372 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:40,509 and and just expand it and have you know 373 00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,610 just continue to explore it's been a lot 374 00:19:47,180 --> 00:19:44,080 a lot of fun there's a lot of research 375 00:19:50,249 --> 00:19:47,190 it's a lot of work but it's so rewarding 376 00:19:53,009 --> 00:19:50,259 how'd you take an actual courses and 377 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:53,019 this or did you just come by writing so 378 00:19:59,850 --> 00:19:57,129 well naturally I am you know I've always 379 00:20:01,560 --> 00:19:59,860 loved to write but this story just you 380 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:01,570 know continued to bother me and bother 381 00:20:06,570 --> 00:20:04,090 me and I just had to like you know write 382 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:06,580 it all out and once I did you know 383 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:09,370 started to shape it and form it and then 384 00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:11,770 worked with an editor and helped me to 385 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:14,350 really craft and develop the story 386 00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:16,930 better and get it out there so you know 387 00:20:21,570 --> 00:20:18,760 it is my first book and is my you know 388 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:21,580 first attempt at writing and I continue 389 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:23,050 to write now you know different short 390 00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:25,900 pieces and book two and working on 391 00:20:29,490 --> 00:20:27,550 another book as well so I don't know 392 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,500 these stories just from someone who's 393 00:20:36,330 --> 00:20:31,120 always been listening to other people's 394 00:20:43,530 --> 00:20:38,550 now I think we're talking to a true 395 00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:43,540 artist here yes now can I ask you 396 00:20:49,710 --> 00:20:46,440 something really way off in left field 397 00:20:53,550 --> 00:20:49,720 did any of this story come to you in 398 00:20:57,030 --> 00:20:53,560 terms of a dream yes yes a lot of it 399 00:20:59,670 --> 00:20:57,040 came to me in dreams and I don't know I 400 00:21:01,920 --> 00:20:59,680 can't even describe it you know um just 401 00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:01,930 doing mundane tasks and just having like 402 00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:04,000 visions of you know seeing the scenes in 403 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:06,340 my head play out and then you know 404 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:08,410 sitting down and writing for you know 405 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:10,630 hours at a time and then reading it all 406 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:12,850 back and kind of being like oh okay well 407 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:17,620 that's so so yeah some of it just was I 408 00:21:23,010 --> 00:21:19,210 don't know it downloaded that way I 409 00:21:25,220 --> 00:21:23,020 guess is how I can explain it a lot of 410 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:25,230 people in science feel the same way too 411 00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:31,030 they just get these epiphanies yes they 412 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:33,640 do get epiphanies through dreams and 413 00:21:42,030 --> 00:21:36,850 through meditation and there are people 414 00:21:47,780 --> 00:21:42,040 who believe or conject that there are 415 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:47,790 certain other worldly influences on 416 00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:50,590 artists and scientists artists I'm 417 00:21:56,430 --> 00:21:53,880 including writers I mean people like 418 00:21:58,530 --> 00:21:56,440 Charles Darwin was it am I thinking 419 00:22:02,190 --> 00:21:58,540 great yeah sure and then there was the 420 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,200 DNA guys Watson and Crick watching 421 00:22:06,420 --> 00:22:04,960 everybody dreamt about it and Newton of 422 00:22:08,550 --> 00:22:06,430 course with the Apple head room on the 423 00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:08,560 head everybody else would have thought 424 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:10,180 Willie Apple hit me on the head and he 425 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:15,370 thought well why didn't it go up well no 426 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:21,820 seriously things things come in dreams 427 00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:26,040 yes so it is interesting that the way 428 00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:30,260 the way dreams can manifest in our lives 429 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:37,280 and if we listen to if we to our dreams 430 00:22:43,390 --> 00:22:39,710 and we remember our dreams they can be 431 00:22:46,299 --> 00:22:43,400 very instructive to us and as to where 432 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:46,309 this inspiration comes from is it from 433 00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:50,770 our subconscious or is it from a higher 434 00:22:55,810 --> 00:22:52,280 consciousness 435 00:22:58,090 --> 00:22:55,820 I'm not saying God per se as a you know 436 00:23:01,600 --> 00:22:58,100 a man up in the sky with a white beard 437 00:23:06,790 --> 00:23:01,610 but more like a higher being an over 438 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:06,800 soul kind of character that might be 439 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:10,970 giving us inspiration yes yes I 440 00:23:15,730 --> 00:23:13,070 definitely believe that you know when I 441 00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:15,740 came up with my author name you know I 442 00:23:21,490 --> 00:23:18,110 the first thing Mussina was always farm 443 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:21,500 it was after my grandmother and then in 444 00:23:26,350 --> 00:23:24,230 a dream I had a dream about my other 445 00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:26,360 grandmother on my father's side who I 446 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:28,190 had never met or you know but I 447 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:31,610 recognized during the dream and you know 448 00:23:35,530 --> 00:23:33,830 she came to the dream and was kind of 449 00:23:37,030 --> 00:23:35,540 just looking at me and other members of 450 00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:37,040 my family were in the dream from my 451 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:40,429 father's side and I just hit me I said 452 00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:41,360 oh yeah don't 453 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:44,300 her name was betta which translates to 454 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:46,809 stones absolutely that's where I got 455 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:50,690 mm-hmm so it was um you know so yeah I 456 00:23:54,570 --> 00:23:52,850 think things coming dreams sometimes and 457 00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:54,580 it's important to listen to them and to 458 00:24:02,190 --> 00:23:57,830 you know it's I think another level of 459 00:24:06,419 --> 00:24:02,200 consciousness well absolutely and also I 460 00:24:11,230 --> 00:24:06,429 when you said Petra it reminded me that 461 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:11,240 whatever name you give your child or 462 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:13,970 children you should give some thought to 463 00:24:20,590 --> 00:24:16,270 the name that you give your children 464 00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:20,600 because I think that sometimes something 465 00:24:28,150 --> 00:24:24,230 manifests out of that I ran across a 466 00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:28,160 statue of a woman in Iceland whose name 467 00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:30,940 was Petra and she was famous throughout 468 00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:34,640 Iceland for being able to go walking in 469 00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:35,240 the mountain 470 00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:38,300 in the north of Iceland and just finding 471 00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:41,780 a semi-precious stones and rocks that 472 00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,660 formed naturally and the reason why she 473 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:47,360 did this is because her name was Petra 474 00:24:53,290 --> 00:24:50,390 and she always related to stones so this 475 00:24:55,540 --> 00:24:53,300 fell right in with your story if you 476 00:24:58,299 --> 00:24:55,550 look if anybody wants or is interested 477 00:25:01,780 --> 00:24:58,309 to look on the internet and look up 478 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:01,790 Iceland and the name Petra I think they 479 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:03,890 will find this beautiful little Museum 480 00:25:08,620 --> 00:25:06,650 that she created in the north of Iceland 481 00:25:11,860 --> 00:25:08,630 with all the beautiful stones 482 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:11,870 she found basically all by herself so 483 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:15,350 her name was very meaningful to her as 484 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:17,510 is your grandmother's name to you 485 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:20,450 because now now she's both of your 486 00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:24,890 grandmother's are memorialized in your 487 00:25:32,380 --> 00:25:29,600 nom de plume we shall call it yes yes 488 00:25:34,270 --> 00:25:32,390 yes absolutely and you know definitely 489 00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:34,280 my grandmother on my father's side was 490 00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:37,900 all very interested in in somebody and 491 00:25:43,299 --> 00:25:41,270 you know I afterwards you know learning 492 00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:43,309 more about her has really enriched my 493 00:25:47,650 --> 00:25:45,980 life and and really also enriched so 494 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:47,660 different characters that I include in 495 00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:49,970 the story you know Puerto Rican descent 496 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:51,620 and and different and their 497 00:25:57,910 --> 00:25:54,320 cross-cultural experiences as well so it 498 00:26:00,130 --> 00:25:57,920 really just enhances it yeah so it's a 499 00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,140 lot of fun and you know shortly after 500 00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:02,240 that dream is where I really got to work 501 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:04,550 on writing the book and you know I think 502 00:26:11,290 --> 00:26:08,210 it definitely helped me you know pursue 503 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:11,300 it you know lucena I would love to see 504 00:26:20,140 --> 00:26:16,130 you write a corollary book about the 505 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:20,150 factual experiences that occurred to you 506 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:23,900 in this life in terms of any kind of 507 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:27,110 psychic manifestations especially where 508 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:30,410 it revolved around writing your books 509 00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:34,490 what do you think of that I am a step 510 00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:36,590 ahead of you I am gonna be featured in 511 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:38,990 two weeks in Luna Luna magazine where I 512 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:41,690 write about Mexican white magic and an 513 00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,050 experience that I had as a teenager so 514 00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:47,360 to be out there oh that's that's really 515 00:26:50,649 --> 00:26:49,070 really wonderful and I'll be looking 516 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:50,659 forward to that and and you said the 517 00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:52,580 name of the book the name of the 518 00:26:59,230 --> 00:26:54,950 publication is Luna Luna and it's 519 00:27:01,690 --> 00:26:59,240 available online is that true Luna Luna 520 00:27:04,419 --> 00:27:01,700 magazine and I think it'll be out in two 521 00:27:09,249 --> 00:27:04,429 weeks and it's titled Mexican white 522 00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:09,259 magic and two weeks from now would be 523 00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:12,500 the end of August 2017 because as you 524 00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:15,350 know this podcast lives for a long time 525 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:18,440 on the internet so that people ya know 526 00:27:26,399 --> 00:27:22,970 or where and how to look so can you give 527 00:27:30,970 --> 00:27:26,409 us a little glimpse into the next 528 00:27:33,789 --> 00:27:30,980 Daniela story well the next Daniela 529 00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:33,799 story is I'm the main character is you 530 00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,990 know starting continue to navigate her 531 00:27:39,549 --> 00:27:37,279 powers 532 00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:39,559 so in book 1 she discovers them but 533 00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:41,110 doesn't really know how to use them and 534 00:27:47,619 --> 00:27:43,820 even though she's quite powerful she 535 00:27:49,810 --> 00:27:47,629 makes a lot of mistakes and she wants to 536 00:27:54,009 --> 00:27:49,820 go back in time and ends up in wrong 537 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:54,019 time so that catapults the story because 538 00:28:00,639 --> 00:27:56,450 now now she's gotta also kind of get 539 00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:00,649 back to her work of finding her friend 540 00:28:06,999 --> 00:28:03,590 Daphne who she lost in book 1 but with 541 00:28:10,779 --> 00:28:07,009 that pickup it certainly makes a mess so 542 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:10,789 that's where I'm at in book 2 of Daniela 543 00:28:15,399 --> 00:28:13,610 trying to learn more about her magic 544 00:28:20,529 --> 00:28:15,409 learn more about her family her culture 545 00:28:25,450 --> 00:28:20,539 her history and put it all together have 546 00:28:33,789 --> 00:28:25,460 you been down to outside of Mexico City 547 00:28:36,190 --> 00:28:33,799 to the Shrine of Our Lady of gets I'm 548 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:36,200 sorry our like the shrine outside of 549 00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:40,129 Mexico City help me hear lucina yeah I 550 00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:44,000 think you the Basilica yes 551 00:28:49,389 --> 00:28:46,820 in Mexico they beat him that well I'm a 552 00:28:54,879 --> 00:28:49,399 virgin of water that's who I was 553 00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:54,889 thinking of yes so yes many times so 554 00:28:59,230 --> 00:28:56,840 you're familiar with the pilgrims who 555 00:29:00,970 --> 00:28:59,240 come on their hands and knees for a 556 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:00,980 hundred and twenty miles etcetera 557 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:02,809 dressed in white etc 558 00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:05,570 it was quite an experience for me when I 559 00:29:10,509 --> 00:29:07,580 was there I was very impressed by the 560 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:10,519 devotion of those individuals that came 561 00:29:18,129 --> 00:29:14,450 there yes my mother actually escorted 562 00:29:21,399 --> 00:29:18,139 her partner you know when I was a child 563 00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:21,409 to the Basilica on her knees in devotion 564 00:29:27,450 --> 00:29:24,169 and in thanks for being healed so I do 565 00:29:30,999 --> 00:29:27,460 remember that you know helping her to 566 00:29:34,629 --> 00:29:31,009 you know go on her knees to reach the 567 00:29:38,379 --> 00:29:34,639 Basilica so that yeah so the impactful 568 00:29:41,169 --> 00:29:38,389 experience for me growing up know what 569 00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:41,179 are your feelings about the identity of 570 00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:45,590 the Virgin of Guadalupe I know the 571 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:49,070 Catholic Church venerates her as an 572 00:29:55,659 --> 00:29:53,090 apparition far from the the the mother 573 00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:55,669 of Jesus Mary st. Mary the mother of 574 00:30:01,149 --> 00:29:56,840 Jesus the Madonna 575 00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:01,159 if you will but the folkloric feeling 576 00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:04,460 and this extends into sort of New Age 577 00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:07,340 culture in the United States seems to 578 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:11,480 feel like the Virgin of Guadalupe 579 00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:15,230 it was the corn goddess of pre-columbian 580 00:30:22,899 --> 00:30:18,860 times I have to do right it was about 581 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:22,909 that uh you know in my research now of 582 00:30:30,009 --> 00:30:25,850 different aspects and Mayan beliefs and 583 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:30,019 gods that they had you know it's so 584 00:30:34,029 --> 00:30:31,610 interesting because you can see the 585 00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:34,039 similarities and how you know when the 586 00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:37,100 conquistadors came you know so many of 587 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:39,350 their manuals the Popol Vuh that was 588 00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,529 burned and so we're missing so much of 589 00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:45,679 the history but but I think that they're 590 00:30:50,769 --> 00:30:47,480 interrelated I think that they are very 591 00:30:53,739 --> 00:30:50,779 very closely connected and it's 592 00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:53,749 fascinating when when you read about you 593 00:30:58,210 --> 00:30:55,340 know the Mayan culture the Aztec culture 594 00:31:02,169 --> 00:30:58,220 their gods and deities it's interesting 595 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:02,179 for sure absolutely absolutely I had 596 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:08,169 read about some of the pre Catholic 597 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,690 sightings of apparitions in that area of 598 00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,720 a woman dressed in blue with long golden 599 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:15,440 hair like 600 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:17,929 corn silk that's what I'm sort of 601 00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:21,289 referring to but we want to we want to 602 00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:23,659 thank you so very much for being on 603 00:31:29,289 --> 00:31:26,840 shadowed reality podcast yeah it's great 604 00:31:32,019 --> 00:31:29,299 because really thank you 605 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:32,029 yeah and really congratulations on being 606 00:31:36,009 --> 00:31:34,370 so successful I I don't know how old you 607 00:31:38,769 --> 00:31:36,019 are but you certainly sound very young 608 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:38,779 and for your first book you did very 609 00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:41,929 very well and your great future thank 610 00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:45,350 you we are absolutely thrilled that you 611 00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:48,440 were inspired by shattered reality pot 612 00:31:55,749 --> 00:31:49,940 yeah thank you 613 00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:55,759 Lucina before you go mention the name of 614 00:32:01,119 --> 00:31:57,710 the book the publisher where they can 615 00:32:02,919 --> 00:32:01,129 get it your award and so forth just just 616 00:32:04,990 --> 00:32:02,929 go through the whole thing and the Luna 617 00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:05,000 the Luna description Luna Luna 618 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:08,350 description as well people can follow up 619 00:32:14,289 --> 00:32:12,289 okay yes so the book is titled sometime 620 00:32:17,019 --> 00:32:14,299 left there the Daniela story and it's 621 00:32:20,409 --> 00:32:17,029 available on Amazon I will be doing a 622 00:32:22,749 --> 00:32:20,419 Goodreads giveaway in October for the 623 00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:22,759 Day of the Dead and Halloween so if you 624 00:32:28,029 --> 00:32:24,169 sign up you can get a free autographed 625 00:32:31,570 --> 00:32:28,039 copy and also I'll be featured in Luna 626 00:32:34,450 --> 00:32:31,580 Luna magazine with a small article 627 00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,460 referencing Mexican white magic in my 628 00:32:39,789 --> 00:32:37,039 experience as a teenager 629 00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,799 so hopefully readers if you know you 630 00:32:44,379 --> 00:32:41,600 enjoy the book you'll check that out as 631 00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:44,389 well absolutely yeah 632 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:46,460 all right we're gonna say goodbye to you 633 00:32:51,399 --> 00:32:49,490 right now but we hope you have you want 634 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:51,409 again Lucy know when your next book 635 00:32:56,649 --> 00:32:54,230 comes out mm-hmm alrighty yes yes 636 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:56,659 absolutely thank you so much Kate thank 637 00:33:00,669 --> 00:32:58,370 you for Russa for having me on it's just 638 00:33:02,619 --> 00:33:00,679 been such a privilege to be on with you 639 00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:02,629 guys today oh it's our pleasure entirely 640 00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:05,240 our pleasure entirely just to look not 641 00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,649 that I think you're going to need it 642 00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:08,480 though I think this is truly creative 643 00:33:13,659 --> 00:33:11,870 artists and we gee maybe we actually 644 00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:13,669 were right there at the beginning of a 645 00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,190 fabulous career yeah we think that you 646 00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:18,320 will enjoy this slightly shortest show 647 00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:39,600 [Music]